Is Self Pubbing The New Refuge From The Cba?

Discussion in 'Indie Writing, Publishing & Marketing Discussion' started by DRTharp, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. DRTharp

    DRTharp New Member

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    I am not currently releasing any of my christian fiction ( it wouldn't make it past the first page of an editor there) and am working on my Military/War fiction. I think that the CBA a organization that simply caters to older women. I feel like they have shortchanged Men and people looking for serious fiction, literary and otherwise.

    You are handcuffed to the guidelines. I was briefly participating in a forum that was supposed to be about 'edgy' christian fiction. It seemed all the edgyness was how far to take a sex scene. Romance I guess. What about War and Faith ? High Power and the Temptations and failure of ministers ? Its a goldmine of fictional stories, redemptive or not. There is a whole untapped market of men who would love to read about real life and faith but just like going to church, most men don't like the tidiness and unreality of some churches.

    So many of our lives are dealing with hard nasty issues. I think there are so many talented people out there that are starting to go this route because they can't say what they want even though they have a christian message.

    Im really thankful that this new avenue is blowing up and I think that it will be a true free market. Things will either resonate with a reader or not based on the writers ability, not necessarily whether he says D!#% of S#$^. Anyway back to my proverbial retreat. DR
     
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  2. mjph

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    Christian writing is dominated by romance. Dudes tend to abhor romance, so your point makes sense. My worry about romance (even if it is Christian) is that it can cause a woman to look at the husband in her life and be sorely disappointed when he doesn't act like the men in these books. No man can live up to that image any more than any woman can meet the image portrayed in pornography.
     
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    I write mainstream/secular fiction but always keep it clean but also realistic. My current book, Aloisius, has a romantic sub plot but its from the eyes of a strong female lead whose background as a solider, gives her somewhat a masculine POV. Readers read for entertainment, not to be preached to, and I think thats why a lot of Christian fiction fails. For me, fiction books are for entertainment and that what I try to write and build my career around.
     
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    I agree. I don't mind a romantic sub-plot, but I generally do not want to read a romance story, Christian or otherwise.
     
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    Self-publishing is the new refuge from the publishing industry as a whole.
     
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    My son really wanted to reply to this post, but there's something wrong with his password that has to be worked out. so you'llno doubt hear from him later. But I am so glad to read these posts. There's a whole group of people, fellow CHristians that the CBA has treated like 2nd class citizens..and most of that group is male. Be nice if they could start publishing a few books that don't read like they've been approved by some League of Little Old Ladies.
     
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    I write clean, Christian fantasy. I'd like to think that guys would like to read my books - because while there is usually a romance in most of my books, they are not pure romance. I like to call them adventure/action/fantasy. Most of my main characters are men.

    Unfortunately, the kind of topics I deal with often require things like war, death, slavery, even the occasional torture. It takes a careful touch to make sure that it is not too much. I would like my books to be enjoyed by young adults, as well as adults.

    I chose self-publishing for two reasons. One, I liked the idea of being able to make my book fit my image of what it should be like. And two, I doubted that the CBA would have been interested anyway.
     
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  8. DRTharp

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    Good feedback. I'm tired of people saying that publishers are the culling ground of who is a great writer. Sure, they do cull quite a bit but its also based on relationships within the industry. That is why you are encouraged to 'network' at conventions. I prefer to get out on my raft and see if it floats and so far, I couldn't be happier. Im in a marathon not a sprint.

    Christian fiction writers are one of the main things people point to as weak imitations of real life art. I agree, not so much because of the authors but the handcuffs they have put on them. My 'Christian' fiction isnt about preaching any message its about looking at Christianity plopped into the real world, something alot of Christians prefer not to deal with anyway. I'm not trying to be vindictive, I just see it as a shame that the CBA caters to only one demographic for fear of being labelled licentious or profane. Ever been in a Jr. High lately? Kids know more about adult things and how to swear properly, something I didn't know about till I was inducted into the military.
     
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  9. Tim

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    You got that right! I go to high school and if I wrote about what I hear and see in one day, I'd get thrown off most 'Christian' sites. I'm the first to say I wish we were back in the 40' s but it isn't that way. And honest, I think the CBA is part of the reason.
     
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  10. Michael J Scott

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    In many ways, I think you're on to something. I know that most of my books wouldn't make it in the CBA, and there was a real chance my Jonathan Munro Adventure (coming out soon from Ellechor Publishing) wouldn't have made it either, but, I think, for the grace of God.

    That being said, CBA publishing houses are being bought out by secular publishers, who don't give a whit about correct doctrine or whether or not a book has too much violence or is a little on the steamy side. They want to make money, and they're trying to figure out how to do that from the Christian market, which, it turns out, is pretty big. So I think you'll find the "rules" relaxing a bit with CBA, but what William Jones said holds true across the board:

     
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    Just a newbie here throwing in my two cents. I never even thought about trying to get my books published through a Christian publishing company. I write scifi/fantasy and most Christians look at me like I have a horn growing out of my forehead when I tell them that. :lol: Plus, I was under the impression that I would have to write Amish romance novels or something in an old fashioned setting if I wanted to get published through a Christian publishing company. So, I just set out on my own!
     
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  12. DRTharp

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    I have been on some boards that were frequented by CBA publishers and writers. Want to talk about vindictivness when you tell them that their fiction doesnt appeal to men and that it doesn't reflect reality. They insinuated that my writing simply was subpar and that only the best made it into the fold and that the spiritually pure were writing God's message. I even found an 'Edgy Christian' forum that edginess was defined as how far to take your love scene or whether D!@# or S$#% was going overboard. Never mind entertaining the though of writing a modern day Elmer Gantry or books about crooked ministers or maybe a book with the viewpoint of why a common man might shy away from christianity. For now, I'll stick with what is selling me books. Military/Action Adventure.
     
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  13. ShawnLamb

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    This is one female Christian author who can't stand female dominated stories where romance is the central theme - aka - Amish, chick lit or romance. I write YA fantasy, which crosses ages and genders since it isn't dominated by wishy-washy female characters, and Christian historical fiction, which is populated by real men and women facing real events. I include battle scenes, sieges and downright nastiness of war, political intrigue and the sometimes fatal consequences of bad moral choices.

    My first book was published by a traditional Christian publisher, who passed on the rest of the series, so I went rogue - I mean self. For some reason, it's not accepted in CBA that women can write realitstic historical or fantasy that can appeal to guys. I differ. In fact, when Allon first came out, I had a group of 7th grade boys make a video of how to turn the book into a video game.

    Hint one of my favorite all time authors is Aliaster MacLean. And I highly recommend Stephen England's Pandora's Grave - a great political/spy/war thriller like MacLean and Clancy. Stephen is also a fellow Christian author who writes outside the CBA norm.
     
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